October 9, 2017

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Today’s episode marks the triumphant return of attorney Andrew Seidel of the Freedom From Religion Foundation to the show!

We begin with an “Andrew Was Wrong” segment in which patron Kristen Hansen discusses how better to evaluate charities than the simple overhead metric the guys used in Episode 102.

After that, Andrew Seidel joins us for two segments. First, the two Andrews discuss separation of church and state, including their recent disagreement as to whether FEMA funds will be spent rebuilding churches damaged by the recent hurricanes, as well as a return foray into gay wedding cakes discussed in Episode 105.

Then, Andrew Seidel updates us regarding two recent victories by the FFRF.

Finally, we end with the answer to Thomas (& Andrew) Take the Bar Exam Question #44 regarding witness testimony. Don’t forget to following our Twitter feed (@Openargs) and like our Facebook Page so that you too can play along with #TTTBE!

Show Notes & Links

  1. If you like their work, please consider supporting the Freedom From Religion Foundation.
  2. We originally discussed the Masterpiece Cakeshop case in Episode 105.
  3. Here is the link to the major victory Andrew Seidel discussed in the “C” segment of the show.

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It's in the Constitution
Law Court Thingies
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  • [00:00:00] Commercial
  • [00:00:16] Intro
  • [00:02:59] Andrew Was Wrong The best merit for evaluating charities isn't always overheads. (Andrew and Thomas were wrong)
  • [00:08:06] A Segment: Andrew Seidel returns
    • [00:08:42] Masterpiece cake shop
    • [00:21:36] FEMA aid for churches
    • [00:24:28] Nyquist - repair of religious school buildings
    • [00:25:31] Tilton - money not going to advancing religion
    • [00:26:30] School vouchers vs repairs
  • [00:35:42] Commercial
  • [00:40:22] B Segment: FFRF victories
    • [00:40:56] The cross on Lehigh County's seal
    • [00:43:35] Brevard County and the secular invocation
    • [00:52:29] Support the FFRF
  • [00:53:15] Thomas Takes the Bar Exam: Co-working testifying to manager's statement (Hearsay) - answer.
  • [01:00:36] New Patron Tuesday
  • [00:02:31] Outro

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Follow up

  • Episode 131 has the Masterpiece Cake Shop oral arguments
  • Episode 180 with the Supreme Court decision on Masterpiece Cake Shop