September 20, 2016

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In this episode, we delve into the wacky world of tax protesters and “sovereign citizens,” people who believe that the legal world is a magical place filled with secret code words that, if invoked properly, can force the Illuminati-run courts to admit you into the secret chamber where nobody has to pay their taxes or be held responsible for anything.

In our opening segment, we tackle a serious question from Matthew Maxon, who asks why lawyer fees are so damn expensive. In answering (and also not answering) the question, Andrew gives us some practical tips on how best to choose an attorney and how to avoid paying too much for too little in services.

Finally, in our closing segment, we discuss Vulgarity for Charity 2, which brings together your favorite podcasters to raise money for Modest Needs.

Show Notes & Links

  1. Please check out Vulgarity for Charity 2, and please consider supporting the Modest Needs charity.
  2. As skeptics, you might want to read Charity Navigator’s report on Modest Needs, which gives them high marks for transparency and minimizing overhead costs.
  3. You absolutely MUST watch this amazing video advising you how to “win” your case by mouthing a whole bunch of crazy that neither you nor the sitting judge is likely to understand.
  4. Here’s a link to the Nonnie Chrystal v. Huntington Nat’l Bank decision we discuss, where you can see the delightful lower case and punctuation marks sovereign citizens use (unsucessfully) to evade jurisdiction. “Ambassador nonnie: chrystal”, indeed.
  5. Finally, here’s the legal definition of capitis diminutio maxima, which — you may notice — has nothing to do with whether a document contains capital letters.

Law Talkin' Stuff

It's in the Constitution
Law Court Thingies
Magic Law Words





  • [00:00:00] Intro
  • [00:01:29] Listener Questions: Why are lawyer fees so high?
    • [00:08:31] Advice for hiring a lawyer
  • [00:11:48] Main Segment: The secret law that allows you to avoid taxes
    • [00:14:45] The US Constitution
    • [00:15:10] The Sixteenth Amendment
    • [00:19:30] Sovereign Citizens
    • [00:32:17] Admiralty Court
    • [00:34:14] Mental Confinement
    • [00:35:46] The law isn't as complicated as you think it is
  • [00:37:56] Vulgarity for Charity 2
  • [00:43:45] New Patrons Thanks
  • [00:45:06] Patron Hall of Fame
  • [00:45:43] Outro

Follow up

  • Episode 13 Andrew answers an additional question about hiring a lawyer