August 27, 2018

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From The Official Website:

Today's episode welcomes back one of our favorite guest experts, former prosecutor and current law professor Randall Eliason of the Sidebars blog, who will help us break down what exactly a "perjury trap" is — and whether Robert Mueller is laying one for the President.

Of course, when we have a guest this good, we also have to take advantage of his expertise in a couple of other areas. So we begin by checking in on the news of the day: Mueller has already reportedly offered immunity to David Pecker, the CEO of the National Inquirer, whom we discussed at great length on Episode 203 in connection with the Cohen plea.

After that, we delve into Rudy Giuliani's contention that Mueller is laying a "perjury trap" for the President. Is that a thing? Is that what he's doing? Listen and find out!

After that, we revisit the issue of reporters and confidential sources, where Professor Eliason has been a consistent voice opposing a federal privilege. Is that a view he still holds? There's only one way to know for sure!

Finally, it's time for the answer to Thomas Takes the Bar Exam, where our intrepid hero tries to inch closer to the coveted 60% mark with a question about torts.

Show Notes & Links

  1. Prof. Eliason first guested on the show way back in Episode 70.
  2. Here is the link to the NPR interview with Prof. Eliason discussed on the show.
  3. To read more of Prof. Eliason's work, click here to visit the Sidebars blog.

Law Talkin' Stuff

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  • [00:00:00] Intro
  • [00:02:10] Andrew Was Right: Davis Pecker has been offered immunity
  • [00:05:50] Listener Thomas S: Ben Shapiro has stated that he is surprised that Trumps isn't using the simple defense that he pays porn stars all the time, therefore, this was not a campaign expense
  • [00:17:50] Update on the Manafort Trial
  • [00:21:10] Interview: with Professor Randall Eliason about Pecker
  • [00:28:28] Commercial
    • [00:33:13] What is a perjury trap
    • [00:36:10] The risk of going into a perjury trap
    • [00:40:50] Response to Uncle Frank
    • [00:45:50] What about Bill Clinton
    • [00:49:10] What would Professor Eliason do if he was Trumps lawyer
    • [00:59:00] Reporter privilege
  • [01:02:21] New Patron Tuesday
  • [01:06:10] Thomas Takes the Bar Exam: A delivery truck drove into an unmarked trench, broke an axle and was robbed (answer)
  • [01:15:40] Outro
  • [01:17:43] Out Takes

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Follow up

  • Episode 212 “Randall Was Right” about reporter privilege