August 30, 2018

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Today’s episode tackles two big church/state separation stories currently circulating right now: the recent lawsuit filed by the owner of the Masterpiece Cakeshop, and the Pennsylvania grand jury investigation of the Catholic Church. And, of course, there’s no better guide to these issues than friend of the show and Director of Strategic Response for the Freedom From Religion Foundation, Andrew Seidel.

We begin the Masterpiece, going in depth on the case we first discussed back in Episode 201. Find out what the Andrews think will happen to this case — and along the way, you’ll learn something about Younger abstention!

After that, we turn to the Pennsylvania grand jury investigation regarding the Catholic Church, discuss statutes of limitation, and learn what we can do about it going forward.

Finally, we end with an all new Thomas (and Andrew!) Take The Bar Exam #91 involving — by sheer coincidence! — the First Amendment and prayers at a student graduation.

Show Notes & Links

  1. To sign up for the FFRF’s action alerts, text FFRF to 52886.
  2. We first discussed the new Masterpiece proceeding in Episode 201; you can also check out the case we discussed on Younger abstention, Ohio Civil Rights Commission v. Dayton Christian Schools, 477 U.S. 619 (1986).
  3. You can click here to read the full Pennsylvania grand jury report.
  4. Please read Andrew Seidel’s article, “It’s Time To Quit the Catholic Church.”

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  • [00:00:00] Intro
  • [00:04:30] Interviews Andrew Seidel on the new Masterpiece case
    • [00:13:35] Andrew's favorite line from the complaint
    • [00:19:00] Ohio Civil Rights Commission v. Dayton Christian Schools
    • [00:19:35] Younger abstention doctrine
    • [00:29:30] Exception to abstention
    • [00:32:30] Wrap Up
    • [00:33:18] Catholic Church
    • [00:47:25] What can we do
  • [00:57:40] Patron Hall of Fame
  • [01:02:00] Thomas Takes the Bar Exam: Prayers at a student graduation (question)
  • [01:06:50] Outro